Connecting speakers, such as "normal", "bi-wiring", "bi-amping" - what to do? how can that be?

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15.01.2011 2:38:00
Comrades, who as a plug?

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15.01.2011 2:42:00

the question then?
15.01.2011 2:44:00
read attentively))

quote:
Comrades who connects both?
15.01.2011 3:30:00

to carefully read))

you're smart superb.
15.01.2011 4:23:00
This is a poll or a question? 1st Option. The rest do not have much sense, unless you have a very good speaker and an amplifier with 2 trance, where we could connect the present biampu.
15.01.2011 11:13:00
And where crossover 3m version? If
in columns, and judging by the markings just take 2 identical stereo nafig such bi-amping is not needed.

Figure clearly taken from the audio murzilok.
15.01.2011 11:50:00

Comrades, who as a plug? You
which variant amplifier (1, 2 or 3) and columns (1 with two terminals 2 or 3 - with four) in the presence of? Hence, we should proceed. I would use option 3, subject to the availability of the crossover to the amplifier.
15.01.2011 13:54:00
on the s-90 bivayring nothing new added, even with substitutions at mid 6GDSH and in general you probably here Prejudices and realities
15.01.2011 13:59:00

third option of course. . . each column your amplifier. . . On each strip its channel gain. 1 and 2 embodiments slightly differ from each other.


on the s-90 bivayring nothing new added,
Then, they are y90

15.01.2011 14:04:00

I would use option 3, subject to the availability of the crossover to the amplifier.

Catalogues Hi-End audio is not full of abundance bi-amping solutions. IMHO.
15.01.2011 14:14:00
In short a great recipe - 2 such and 4 here such .

PS and s90
15.01.2011 14:44:00

each column your amplifier. . . On each strip its channel gain

then option three. Location doubts?

Crossovers - regular passive in the column?
15.01.2011 18:36:00
This question deeply religious. At the same time listening to someone else's "sermons" should not - we must try to opt-yourself. Experience is not difficult to put.
16.01.2011 13:00:00
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this question deeply religious. At the same time listening to someone else's "sermons" should not - we must try to opt-yourself. Experience is not difficult to put.

on merit, so to speak, the source bi-amping sounds dramatically better.
Cross must be active in the effort.
16.01.2011 13:29:00

I do not tell. Have enough experience with the ever-memorable S-90 without biampa. Again, here it is important to follow your instinct estesstvoispytatelya instead of yelling "faithful", obchitavshihsya Aldoshin.
16.01.2011 13:47:00
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I do not tell. Have enough experience with the ever-memorable S-90 without biampa. Again, here it is important to follow your instinct estesstvoispytatelya instead of yelling "faithful", obchitavshihsya Aldoshin.
not necessary here to joke, okay? WHAT
on, ME, uh, "S-90"? ? ?
Speech on "impeccable source". 100 m. P. , Say, in the integral version. With
_SOOTVETSTVUYUSCHIMI_ amplifier and speakers.
better if transport, paved external DAC "th from a pair of oblique.

In the forest, please" S-90 ".
very fine and very often shazhochkami.
in the forest.

in the forest.

In leeeees!!!!!!!!!

In leeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeees!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS "instinct-bindinktu. . . "
I unenviable, telling you that I hear on your system.
16.01.2011 14:06:00

I unenviable, telling you that I hear on your system.
. . . quietly to himself. . . Calluses not rub
And let's have a crank bodyagi as dumps and friends gathered enough laces thick with flat, yeah.
16.01.2011 14:30:00
All are equipped with Dynaudio speakers one pair of terminals. And rightly so.
17.01.2011 12:58:00

Cross must be active in the effort.
A better before him.
17.01.2011 23:43:00
Hmm guys! How can a simple electrical engineering and physics?
what will happen with the cross connect wire if the column-type Bi - wiring?

+ izmenittsya interesting as the output impedance of the receiver at the ends Wires? if the speaker 1 pair of input wires - that is the wire from the receiver to the speakers are connected in parallel!

18.01.2011 0:29:00

ie wires from the receiver to the speakers are connected in parallel!
Pro equivalent circuit heard? Or is no longer "simple electrical engineering and physics"?
18.01.2011 0:32:00

what will happen with the cross connect wire if the column-type Bi - wiring?
And where does the section? Bivaering need to reduce electromagnetic distortion (in the form of harmonics), added to the signal induction voice coil woofer (in an inhomogeneous magnetic field) - or more precisely, they are "Redeem" on the output impedance of the amplifier, and almost do not fall into the MF / HF band that required (to prove). In conventional connecting all of these harmonics will play out through the midrange / tweeter. . .
18.01.2011 9:47:00

Well, actually, in the normal acoustic drivers separated by a passive filter, so the woofer with squeaker obtained untied. Pts. I doubt that generates high-frequency woofers in as a significant number ve.

Last Connect - bi-amping preferably only if:

a) to active crossover amps worth - in fact, it only makes sense;
b) a power amp is not enough to really pump acoustics, well, two amp - twice as much power.

Only without active crossover much better two wideband amp turn into a bridge (briged) , and connect to the bridge on the acoustics of Scheme 1

Scheme 2 (bi-wiring) - this divorce buyers for cable

If you want something exotic, something much steeper instead of bi-wiring to deliver audiophile litz cord with a 1 Bi-wiring is very little similarity homemade Lietz


Once again, if you do not have an active crossover sharpened the acoustics (and him as usually is not), then the two amp turns into one mono bridge circuit (briged).

ditto
18.01.2011 14:17:00

what will happen with the cross connect wire if the column-type Bi - wiring?
If you connect the cable-type Bi - wiring its section immediately reduced three times. . . Actually, cable Istan right in your hands.
18.01.2011 14:37:00

Scheme 2 (bi-wiring) - this divorce buyers for cable
Yeah. Manufacturers speakers driven customers to cable manufacturers.
18.01.2011 14:45:00

Bivaering need to reduce electromagnetic distortion (in the form of harmonics), added to the signal induction voice coil woofer (in an inhomogeneous magnetic field) - or more precisely, they are "Redeem" on the output impedance of the amplifier, and almost do not fall into the MF / HF band as required (to prove). In conventional connecting all of these harmonics will play out through the midrange / tweeter. . .


MDA, copy-paste for marketing nonsense - 5, with the understanding RTTsiS - nezach0t. . .

18.01.2011 16:41:00

you would have told you that for the system? Homemade?

Theme. I have a B & amp; 684 W and Rotel RA05. Tried bivayring. The differences (in comparison with connecting wires 2 in parallel) are practically absent. And litz tried (Soviet, in a blue silk insulation 2. 45mm ^ 2) - also not a lot of sense.

Actually B & amp; W is slightly deceiving the workers. The manual is written in the column that the resistance wires must be less than 0. 1 ohm. I opened the column. There crossover - HF capacitor and inductance on the woofer. Resistance inductors DC 0. 5 ohms. So cutting wire resistance significantly lower than 0. 5 ohms big does not make sense (0. 2 Ohm's already fine).

would try bi-amping with a crossover to the amplifier. But I'm afraid to spoil the AFC columns - in this case, I believe, will be even worse than it is (if not sickly expense of time and money).
18.01.2011 20:13:00

Well, actually, in the normal acoustic drivers separated by a passive filter, so the woofer with squeaker obtained untied.
If the filters are connected to a plug with almost 0 resistance is connected (the signal through the filters). . .
Pts. I doubt that generates high-frequency woofers in as a significant number ve.
It generates harmonics - all non-linearity of the suspension and the inhomogeneity of the magnetic field leads to the fact that there is an additional coil current corresponding to these nonideal - in principle, can be found on the Web or measurements to measure the difference signal at the opposite ends of the cable leading to the low-frequency band. If the non-linearity of the suspension still "sound" through the woofer itself (although it usually fills up the MF / HF band due to construction), the non-linearity of the magnetic field weakly affects the mechanical course of the woofer. But if you stray electric component goes directly (without attenuation) in the MF band, it was perfectly played back by this band. Connection bivaereng form factor (cable) / (output impedance of the amplifier), which significantly reduces the parasitic component. . .
18.01.2011 21:17:00
About

nonlinearity suspension and magnetic field inhomogeneity
course you been reading, but with the filters you somehow uh feeble , if there is a second-order filter, the speaker bypassed decent condenser capacity and towards the amplifier series inductance enabled. Not inspired to think.
And carry. . . .
In conventional connecting all of these harmonics will play out through the midrange / tweeter. . .
But if you stray electric component goes directly (without attenuation) in the MF band, it was perfectly played back by this band.

if the scheme had not seen, look http: // images. yandex. ru / yandsearch? ed = 1 & amp; text =% D1 ... if & amp; rpt = simage

ps harmonics fall within the bandwidth of the lowpass filter, podavyatsya MF / HF filter is that you are not in vain 20Hz remembered
18.01.2011 21:34:00

speaker shunted capacitor decent capacity
Calculate its impedance in the bass harmonics. . .
toward amplifier series inductance included
Which is not really affect the current supplements. . .
And carry. . . .
Maybe you are?
18.01.2011 21:44:00

Ohh, especially ps wrote, and you again to the same
18.01.2011 22:05:00

Ohh, especially ps wrote
It is "the wrong step", by the way. Did I describe such a difficult thing? Again, try to compare the electrical signal (LF, say 100Hz, a sufficiently large amplitude) at the terminals of the amplifier and speaker terminals. you think that the signal at the terminals of the AC is not added harmonics?
18.01.2011 22:41:00


ps harmonics fall within the bandwidth of the lowpass filter, podavyatsya MF / HF filter

not argue with teoretigom and do not feed the thick fat trollolo

18.01.2011 22:49:00
Remembered the lecture of Electrical! The teacher used to say the following phrase: "Talk like water - chooses the path of least resistance"
Here I am right now, and I thought if connected to 2 type - not whether or not the current one wire signal to go? (Or most of it, given that the wires of different lengths (in some small value))
18.01.2011 23:02:00

When connected to the second type will flow through the wires of different components of the total current signal - if only because they are loaded on different filters. . .
18.01.2011 23:16:00
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15.01.2013 15:48:00
The system Sherwood AX-5505 or Yamaha A-S500 / Mordaunt-Short Aviano 2 connectivity bivayringu in accordance with the user manual of the amplifier, t. E., Using terminals on the amplifier A + B, gives a real improvement in terms of sound speakers greater detail, transparency and depth of the stage and a more prominent studio sound engineering drawing special effects, most obviously in electronic music. So audiofilichesky myth that the budget system bivayring has no meaning, has no meaning and no more than audiofilichesky myth. In this regard, I fully agree with the views of the SW.

Very sensibly chewed here, it can reconcile opponents - http: // dvdukraine. mybb. ru / viewtopic. php? id = 736
04.11.2013 13:22:00
Have the possibility of bi amplifier wiring (sections A and B for connecting the columns) and the columns with a conventional connection (only one + and - on each column).
Please suggest as the most properly connect the amplifier and speakers.
04.11.2013 13:39:00

What's to understand? A or? In theory, anyway. See. Guide to the amplifier.
04.11.2013 13:43:00
Management does not, he got old and on the occasion. Marantz PM-44SE

That is, you can connect to either the A or B to have the same result? Izgalyatsya connecting directly to both sections do not need to?
04.11.2013 14:52:00
Judging by the photos, connect better to the bottom (B) section. There shorter wire to the amplifier board. 2 sections connected meaningless. Well
or terminal block in the AS change to 2x2, then bi-wiring can be arranged.
04.11.2013 16:29:00

I have an amplifier with the possibility of bi wiring (sections A and B for speakers)
It's not trendy "bi wiring" is simply the opportunity to work with two sets of speakers and switch between them. "Bi wiring" is - just audiophile nonsense. "Bi-amping" - even though the laws of physics does not contradict, but without removal from the speakers built-in filters its advantages virtually leveled.
04.11.2013 16:47:00
Nonsense - it's when they start to write Neznamov about.
quote:
Jon Risch, through the use of multitone testing, also concluded that bi-wiring significantly reduced intermodulation distortion between high-frequency currents and low-frequency currents ("A New Class of In-Band Multitone Test Signals, " AES Convention , August 1998)
04.11.2013 17:03:00
Deleted. Rule 4. 3. 6. 4
04.11.2013 17:11:00
Thank you, it worked out
19.10.2014 22:11:00
There is a difference between the upper and lower pair of terminals in column?
in the sense that if there is a main exit at the front in the receiver and surround back, also used for bi-amp, which connects to the top terminals on the speakers, and that the lower?
front a - & gt; lower terminals column, surround back / bi-amp - & gt; top?

p. s. yamaha rx-v663 + davis acoustics kvk 5
20.10.2014 17:39:00

there is a difference between the upper and lower pair of terminals in a column?

Usually one couple walking on the RF; the other - on bass. Your speakers, if I'm not mistaken, three-way, so that it made you - it is better to look for the scheme.

surround back, also used for bi-amp

very risky business: not the fact that in the case of stereo audio "surround back", the receiver outputs the same signal as the front. If he begins to philosophize, it is very possible instead of sound get in the end a marvelous mess.

front a - & gt; lower terminals column, surround back / bi-amp - & gt; top

Elsi interested in the opinion, that all connect to the front: of course, to show off in front of "the guys" that I have, they say, "biamping" has not come out, but the sound will not be worse, and maybe better (see. previous item )
20.10.2014 18:22:00

there is a difference between the upper and lower pair of terminals in a column?

no

front a - & gt; lower terminals column, surround back / bi-amp - & gt; top?

is pointless at this speaker set and the receiver enough jumpers and a single pair of wires.



very risky business: not the fact that in the case of stereo audio "surround back", the receiver outputs the same signal as the front. If he begins to philosophize, it is very possible instead of sound get in the end a marvelous mess.


it is adjusted once for all receivers, the signal is divided in the figure to the DSP and no porridge should not be, although of course it is necessary to watch the service manual (electric. Diagram) for the identity of the front / suraund amplifier channels.
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